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I was basically choked up or crying from the time that Jin and Sun "died" in the submarine. I don't have a whole lot of coherent thoughts at the moment, but would love to talk about the show now that I've finished. I'd love to know what it was like when the show was on the air and actually ended.

I thought the alternate timeline throughout the last season was very interesting, especially as the characters started remembering in the last episode.

I guess I should mention that I knew on some level that they were all dead from when I began watching the series. I had no clue where it would go, or how they would reveal that the characters were all dead and I was afraid that it was going to be ambiguous so I was very happy when Jack's father came out and said it.

Can someone explain the alternate timeline to me. Were they in both places at once? It just doesn't make sense that if they died like for example Juliet that she would go to this alternate place because say Hurley never "died" on the island, but he was in the alternate place. I will definitely be googling all about Lost, but it'll probably have to wait until tomorrow because I've exhausted!

Overall I have to say I was very happy with the finale. I thought it was going to be majorly disappointing, but to me it really did the season justice after a whole lot of mind fuckery.

Oh, and any fanfic recs would be GREATLY appreciated!

Date: 2013-12-29 05:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikessweetgirl.livejournal.com
When the show was on the air and actually ended...wow...the fandom was so much fun back then with the theories and the fanfic challenges. The shipper people, especially the triangle shippers were disappointed, but everyone else who loved the characters and missed the people that died were happy with the reunions. Lost finales were the best part of the seasons in my opinion and i for one was very satisfied with how it ended. My charlie and claire and their turnip head back together again lol

The alternate timeline was the purgatory where they waited for everyone who was on the island to die and then they were reunited. Hurley did eventually die on the island and when he did, he went to the alternate timeline and was reunited with everyone. Like when Charlie died...that was his purgatory until Claire eventually died and they were reunited. Or when Jack died and was reunited with Kate, who eventually died after living her life once they escaped the island.

As for fanfic, the site is dead now, but there are some great fic there lostsquee: http://lostsquee.livejournal.com/ there are master lists of some fic challenges that had been posted. You can also find fanfic at fanfiction.net. I hope that helps:)

Date: 2013-12-29 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spuffy-noelle.livejournal.com
Okay so what you're saying is that they survived the olive crash and lived on the island? I just read something that said everything that happened actually happened. So that means the plane crashed because of Desmond, they survived, smoke monsters are real and so is time travel? I'm really not sure how I feel about that.

Date: 2013-12-29 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikessweetgirl.livejournal.com
Yeah, it all really happened.

Date: 2013-12-29 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badboy-fangirl.livejournal.com
This is a common misconception--many people didn't understand that they weren't dead on the Island the whole time. But like the above poster said, the alternate timeline was where they waited until they were ready to understand their deaths and move on (to heaven, or whatever term you are comfortable with), it was just that they needed each other before they could move on. For Jack it was Kate, but for Kate it was Claire and Aaron, etc, each of them interconnecting in the alt-verse like they had in real life--like Sayid and Shannon needing each other to realize what had happened.

The other purpose of the alt-verse was for the characters to try to build something that made sense and still correct their *mistakes* -- like Sawyer working as a cop, and Jack having a son because he was still trying to work out his daddy!issues. The alt-verse really helped me cope with my shipper feelings because I was always hardcore Kate/Sawyer, and even though I loved Juliet (she was my favorite character of the whole show), it was harder for me to accept that Kate and Sawyer didn't end up together--so the alt-verse helped me come to terms with the fact that Juliet and James were better together, but since Kate and Sawyer got off the Island, I chose to believe they lived their earthly lives together--and that's why when Kate meets Sawyer in the alt-verse, they still have a little something, just like in the alt-verse, Jack chose Juliet to be the mother of his child, because they were all interconnected, even if the one who would bring them to awareness was the other person. That's why I loved that Kate's awakening had nothing to do with either Sawyer or Jack, but was instead about Claire and Aaron, very powerful.

I too think the finale was so good, and I cry (WEEPING, REALLY) every time I watch it. There are a few moments that always pound me heavily, and one is James and Juliet's reunion, but the other is when Boone and Jack see each other in the church--it's just so powerful. And then of course every moment with Jack and his father. Ben and Locke, Ben and Hurley. Just, AUGH. Best show ever, really.

I do remember being devastated by Jin and Sun's so brief reunion, only for them to turn around and instantly die, but the stakes were just that high--it forced me, going into the finale to realize they were all going to die--and to have a philosophical moment, which I think was part of the larger story the writers were sharing--that we all die. At some point we will make that journey, and who will be waiting for us in our church when we get there? With LOST it was never about the answers people wanted, it was always about the questions they might ask, of themselves and of the universe. That's why, even now, 3+ years since it ended, I'm still so full of emotion about it.

Thanks for posting your thoughts so I could revisit it.

As for how it was received at the time--there were people who hated it, especially those who thought it was too *Christian* in its interpretation of death, but there were people who loved it, and were moved tremendously by it. All told, I am just grateful that Damon and Carlton got to tell the story they wanted to tell, because I found it beautiful, on every level.

Date: 2013-12-29 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spuffy-noelle.livejournal.com
Okay so I posed this question to the person above, but are we saying that Lost took place in a world where monsters and time travel exist? Like how vampires and demons exist in Buffy? I love fantasy shows, but it's kinda hitting me the wrong way I think because I wasn't expecting it? I'm not explaining it right, but I guess I expected the island to be a figment of their imagination and this has thrown me for a loop.

I too shipped Kate and Sawyer, mainly back when they were trapped on Hydra Island. I'm not a fan of Juliet, and I this it's Elizabeth Mitchell for me because I cannot get into her character on Revolution either. The alt-timeline was my favorite part of the show in the later seasons. I want to read all the fanfic that takes place in that "world".

WEEPING AT JACK AND HIS FATHER IN THE CHURCH! It was also a sweet moment when Sawyer went to see the Kwans in the hospital. I've always loved the friendship between Sawyer and Jin.

I'm really sad it's over and I could not sleep last night...I'm blaming it on all the Lost-thoughts rolling around in my head!!

Date: 2013-12-29 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badboy-fangirl.livejournal.com
Yes, it's all fantastical and supernatural like other shows--but in this case it's because of the Island that all of this stuff occurs. Like, for example, people who never went to the Island never realized all this stuff was happening or possible. Jack's dad was the exception, someone who arrived on the Island already dead, but that must have been because the Man in Black/Smoke Monster decided to use his visage to communicate early on. (That's my theory anyway.)

I can see why thinking it was like a dream or something would have made it easier to swallow, but it's solidified in the Pilot episode when Charlie asks, "Guys, where are we?" Because it's a bizarre place, where bizarre things happen, and they don't even know the half of it yet. Because it's set in reality, it's always been a point of argument, but it's like when Ben shows Jack that the Red Sox won the World Series--it's to prove that this world and that world BOTH exist, it's just that not every can or will find the other world. Does that help? Or just make it worse? Sorry if I'm ruining it for you!

That's interesting about EM, because I've loved her since I first clapped eyes on her in 1999's Frequency and I've been toying with getting into Revolution because of her. But Juliet, she was a very special character for me--I didn't start watching the show full time until S3, and that's when Juliet first appeared, and I just fell in love with her. But I always shipped Jack/Juliet, Sawyer/Kate, so that's why the Sideways soothed my shipper heart so much.

S3 will always be my favorite of all the seasons--3x06 "I Do" being my favorite episode ever, but "Through the Looking Glass, part one and two" are my second faves. I remember being completely mindfucked by the FLASHFORWARD, and then having to wait NINE MONTHS for the show to come back. IT WAS TORTURE. TORTURE.

You're so lucky you didn't have to wait for anything. And now I'm going to have a LOST marathon today! LOL

I liked S6 a lot too, but I think my order of faves is 3, 5, 6, 1, 4, 2. Season 2 was hard for me to get through because I HATED Ana-Lucia. Ugh, so much hate for her. But I love time travel, so S5 was loads of fun for me.

Feel free to word vomit some more, I'm here for you! :D

Date: 2013-12-29 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spuffy-noelle.livejournal.com
No actually what you're saying is making it much better! I think the whole time I was under thus misconception that none of it was really happening because they were just dead and the island itself was some sort if purgatory. But now that you say that the island is there, but not everyone knows about it that is making a lot of sense to me. Kinda like how unless you are in the know about vampires in Mystic Falls or Sunnydale you could go on in the real world none the wiser. Thanks for helping me work through that LOL!

I actually really liked EM in Frequency. I didn't even put together that it was her until you mentioned it though. IDK maybe it was because I was so into Sawyer/Kate, but it's also because she was an other I guess I was very untrusting of her in the beginning of season 3 and that never really went away. I was okay with her in season five, I guess, but I still would've rather Kate been with Sawyer than with Jack. That being said I would've had a hard time choosing between those two myself!!

I HATED ANA LUCIA!!! Was so happy when she died!

Date: 2013-12-30 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badboy-fangirl.livejournal.com
Oh, yay, I'm glad it's helping! I have already watched various parts of the first 6 episodes of S3 and am now watching the S6 premiere. After this, I intend to watch the finale. I blame you completely. I love Boone, so much. I wanted to watch the two "alt" versions of him, where he was actually happy.

Juliet was such a controversial character, I think that's why I loved her so.

And yay for Ana-Lucia hate. I mean, I hated Michael, too, but when he killed A-L I was cheering. I didn't like her to begin with, and then she KILLED Shannon. I could never forgive her for that, and I was so glad she wasn't ready to go to the church in the last few eps. LOL

Date: 2013-12-30 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spuffy-noelle.livejournal.com
Ha sorry (not sorry!)

LOVE BOONE!!! There wasn't enough of him as far as I'm concerned. And there is certainly not enough Boone/Shannon fic, either!! I seriously only decided to watch the show because of my love for Ian (and Matthew Fox...love me some Charlie Salinger!)

Effff Ana Lucia! She killed Shannon and was nasty to Sawyer if I remember correctly. I also don't particularly like MR, but that could just be me...

I've started watching Breaking Bad, do/did you watch that?

Date: 2013-12-30 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badboy-fangirl.livejournal.com
You know what's funny is I loved Charlie Salinger, too (always a Charlie fan over a Bailey fan), but I HATED Jack throughout the series. Juliet softened me towards him a little, but my hate for him surged over and over until the end of the show. Just when I wouldn't hate him as much (like in S5, when he started letting Sawyer be the brains of the outfit only to tell Kate that he'd rather erase their entire life together), he would do something that made me want to kill him all over again. So, yeah, Jack was hard for me on a lot of levels; he was a great protagonist.

As for Boone--I never really shipped Boone and Shannon until way after the fact (I enjoyed Shannon/Sayid and was really thrilled when they found each other again), but I have written a couple ficlets about them. The biggest thing about rewatches is you have time to appreciate things more, when you're not puzzling out all the brain-melty things, and upon rewatch Boone and Shannon's chemistry is incredible (Ian and Maggie dated, you know), so it's impossible not to ship them even if it's the most horribly dysfunctional thing ever.

I don't care for MR either, which affects my response to her in film and TV, I'm sure. The only thing I've ever liked her in is Avatar, which is hard for me because I love The Fast and the Furious franchise--but I like the movies without her better, LOL.

I haven't watched BB--I have issues with the drug dealer aspect of it. Some shows I just can't watch because of morality issues I have with it. I'm sure the acting is brilliant, however.

[Still watching the LOST finale, and I just have to mention how interesting it is that Eloise knows the truth, but she doesn't want Desmond to make Daniel remember because she wants to spend more time with him there in the Sideways--so she knows it's not real, and she chooses to stay there, which is another incredible layer I never picked up on before. I'm totally crying right now though because Claire is giving birth and Kate is remembering and AUGH, I LOVE THIS SHOW SO MUCH.]

Date: 2013-12-29 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] youcallitwinter.livejournal.com
Oh, LOST <3 It was such a brilliant six seasons of my life, so well crafted and imagined and executed, just, guh. Also, as for the finale, the sideways-verse, as far as I know, is sort of a metaphorical purgatory? Like, everyone wasn't already dead on the island, they died at different points in their individual lives, but because of the connection that the island had forged between them, they landed in the same place/alternate timeline post death, where they'd have to remember their past, as such, before being able to move on. That maybe even if the island had not existed, their lives would be different, yes, but also the same in a lot of ways, which means that there could possibly, not conceivably be a time in their lives that the island had not existed, since it's the effects which defined it and not the material "thing" itself. It also means that post-Island, in the usual timeline, they could've lived completely different lives, like maybe they never saw each other again etc., but in the alternate timeline, they HAD to come to terms with their past and their issues to be able to move on.

As for fic, you should check out these!:



Date: 2013-12-29 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spuffy-noelle.livejournal.com
I'm copying and pasting from my reply ^^

Okay so I posed this question to the person above, but are we saying that Lost took place in a world where monsters and time travel exist? Like how vampires and demons exist in Buffy? I love fantasy shows, but it's kinda hitting me the wrong way I think because I wasn't expecting it? I'm not explaining it right, but I guess I expected the island to be a figment of their imagination and this has thrown me for a loop.

Date: 2013-12-30 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ever-neutral.livejournal.com

The Jin/Sun death was magnificently devastating. Lost was good with the sadism.

I never understood 99% of what actually happened on the show tbh, I was basically just here for the emotional manipulation, lol! Such well-executed emotional manipulation tho. ;D

As for recs, I have a few in my memories you might enjoy.

Date: 2014-01-01 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spuffy-noelle.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure Jin and Sun had me the most emotional throughout the series. Love me some emotional manipulation LOL


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