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You're gonna be like "WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN?" after you hear my question BUT, I don't know the answer so I'm askin' anyway :D

From the interviews and such I've seen of JM, it seems like he doesn't like SMG very much. This makes me sad, because-HELLO-Spuffy! Obviously, I know JM and SMG are real people and not Spike and Buffy, but it still makes me sad to think they don't like each other. Does anyone know anything more about this? If I'm crazy just tell me, but like I said I've seen things that have made me go hmmm...For example I just recently watched a video of JM and Juliet Landau at some convention, and JM makes comments about how he loved working with JL as Drusilla and other comments about how he didn't like the Spuffy story line because at the time he couldn't see Buffy actually getting with Spike, and he it took him a while to believe Spike would fall for her. That's only one example.

Am I crazy? Does anyone have concrete evidence to support my claim? Either way I'd love to hear some thoughts on this even though I'm SURE this has been discussed TO DEATH!

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It may just be that he didn't get the Spuffy ship, but it doesn't mean that he didni't like SMG. In fact, a lot of rumors have went around about the cast. Like SMG and Alyson Hannigan didn't get along, but recentlly I heard that that wasn't true. That they're friends. Hmmm...it does make you wonder about the dynamics of the cast.

I heard that about Alyson Hannigan and Julie Benz, but Aly and Sarah have always been pretty close.

It really does, but I'm glad to see my assumptions aren't true!

I thought he was supportive of the relationship until S6. That clusterfuck storyline of Marti Noxon's really did a number emotionally on him and Smidge. I remember reading interviews with him about it and he really internalized a lot of the self hate that Buffy & Spike were exhibiting on the show.

I don't think they hate each other. I think time has cooled his obvious affection for her. I think he thought the world of Smidge, but when she decided not to do the eps on Angel, his perception of her changed. She was no longer on the pedestal he'd placed her on. I think he sees her for the person she is and not some fantasized version. They seemed friendly at the Paley panel.

Haha, I've never heard the nickname Smidge!

I guess from some of the television appearances and whatnot that he made, it kinda sorta sounded to me like he was a bit sensitive that she basically ended Buffy to go off and make movies?

But I'm glad to see my perceptions are wrong! I really didn't like thinking they hated each other!!

Basically what

musing_mia said. I'd also heard that filming that AR in particular was really hard for him/them and messed with their relationship.

Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't fun to tape...

No, I haven't seen anything about him not liking Sarah. He always has nice things to say about her, and yeah, he makes jokes a lot of the time, but that's what friends do. I can understand his comments about the Spuffy relationship, it wasn't always great, and he still says that Buffy would probably end up choosing Angel in the end. But I don't get why anyone thinks they don't like each other, must be something I'm not seeing. I have heard that about Joss, though. Juliet was there at the time, he always has extra nice comments for the people he's in a panel with. It was James and Eliza that had some problems, but it seems they've fixed those issues since they were pretty friendly at the last convention I went to.

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Juliet was there at the time, he always has extra nice comments for the people he's in a panel with

Yeah, I think he was being especially nice because 90% of the questions were being directed at him LOL

I have heard that about Joss, though

That Joss doesn't like James or Sarah?

People have said that from the way James talks sometimes, they got the impression that Joss didn't like him very much. Maybe because he's never involved him in one of his projects since Buffy, but I think that just has more to do with scheduling. I don't get the vibe that Joss doesn't like him, maybe he didn't used to, but I don't think that implies to now. Still, James is always saying different things. He'll say one thing at a convention, and then say something completely different at another...lol!

From what I've heard, he thought of her like a little sister, so doing the sex scenes were kinda weird for him. But they did spend the day together on 9/11 cause they were both from New York, so there was definitely some camaraderie between them.

But they did spend the day together on 9/11 cause they were both from New York, so there was definitely some camaraderie between them.

I could definitely see how that day would bring people together.

Funny, I've heard the exact opposite, that they were very good friends at the time, particularly around season 4. I've seen lots of quotes from old interviews done during the show where James is gushing about Sarah and how wonderful she is, and how nice she was to him on set. Sarah was also gushing about James, around season 3 she said she was his biggest fan and that she wanted to get him back to the show. During season 4, she said in an interview that she wanted Spike to be Buffy's new boyfriend and that Joss was like "Another vampire? Uh, no" when she suggested it (he obviously changed his mind during that year!). James tends to talk a bit too much in interviews, and he's said so many different things. He did say she was like a sister to him, but in some other interview when he was asked who was more attractive, Sarah or Alyson, he said Sarah was his type and I've seen other quotes where he was asked something like this, he joked (?) that she had a boyfriend who knows martial arts so he better not talk about that. He also claimed that he wanted Spike to fall for Buffy (though he thought she would never reciprocate) and that he told Joss that he had a crush on Sarah, but supposedly just to put the idea into his head, but that it wasn't true (right, OK) and that Sarah heard about it from Joss and asked him and he just stared at her, because, supposedly, she was really just like a sister to him (hmm).

What we do know is that he accompanied her when she went to see her mom in New York after 9/11, he was at her birthday party, there's a pic of them at some movie premiere, so it seems like they were quite friendly. It seemed like it later deteriorated or soured - I don't know if it was just because they hated the sroryline and the scenes they did in season 6, because there is a rumour that Freddie Prinze Jr. is a very jealous guy and doesn't like Sarah being close with her male co-stars, and that he didn't want to hang out with James at all during season 6, and that they had to sneak out when they wanted to hang out. I don't know if it's true - like I said, a rumour. But there is a quote from an interview with James done around season 5 (when Sarah got engaged to Freddie) where he answers that he wasn't invited to the engagement party, and though he had all her phone numbers, that he hasn't heard from her but she must be very busy.

I don't know what the truth is, though I wouldn't be surprised if the rumour about Freddie is true - male/female friendships sadly often break when one of them finds a boyfriend/girlfriend who's a jealous type, even if there was nothing romantic there to begin with.

I know that both Sarah and James were very negative about Spuffy since season 6, though Sarah hasn't talked about shipping since the show ended, as far as I know. At the Paley fest they seemed friendly. At the panel, she still said she hated season 6 and Buffy acting that way, but she was glad that the Smashed scene won the TV Guide sexiest scene and mentioned it to James, and she was also joking how it was fun playing Buffybot and 'being his slave for a while'. Though James didn't really talk much and didn't seem in such a good mood as Nick, Seth, Sarah and Michelle.

As for James and Joss, that's even weirder and harder to figure out. I know that they used to be friendly and James got invited to Joss's house for dinners etc. Joss has only said good things about James, that he's a great actor and really dedicated (e.g. in the DVD commentary for Conviction, he was praising James and he said it was such a pity he didn't get to direct him more, since he only appears in the last scene of that episode). I really don't know what went wrong there, but I know that James is now saying that he never got along with Joss and that Joss never liked him. (Someone from another forum said James told him that at a convention.) Which I find hard to believe, especially since Joss loves the character of Spike and gave him such great storylines and wrote so many great scenes for James to play.

My impression is that James is a bit of a drama queen and oversensitive and might have taken some things Joss said the wrong way. Joss has a habit of saying some flippant things in jest. Some people have speculated that James might have been offended when Joss called James "the best ingenue" they had paired up with David (unlucky choice of word, but what he meant seemed to be simply that he worked better with David than any of the actresses) or when he joked that the network got a "shiny blond thing and they're going to show if off" referring to WB promoting Spike on season 5. A couple of people on BF think, or think that James thought, took at as calling James just a pretty boy, which is really unlikely, IMO, and doesn't fit with all Joss said about his talent and dedication.

James has also mentioned that, when he was first on the show in season 2, Joss told him to dial it down because he was playing a bit OTT, having come from the theatre, and also that he told him he could get killed off and not to get too self-assured, "Don't expect this to become a Spike show". So maybe James now takes this too seriously or interprets it as Joss never liking him.

Thanks for all that info! It's good to hear my suspicions were wrong. It doesn't bother me nearly as much thinking that James and Joss had problems.

Here is my take on it having been sitting front row center for the Austin Comic Con panel which I believe was James and Juliet's 1st interview together in quite some time. I think that James has made no secret of the fact that he much preferred playing Spike when he was the soulless "Big Bad" in the earlier seasons with Juliet. They had good onscreen chemistry and he loved playing the bad boy. He has often said that he didn't like season 6 and the way it went down with all the Spuffy sex and unhealthy relationship with "Seeing Red" being the big, nasty cherry on top. That is not the direction that he wanted to character to take. But, I don't think that it equates to him not liking SMG. I also think that he mentioned that he loved working with Juliet several times during the panel because hello, she was sitting right next to him, lol. He didn't even mention SMG at all (None of the cast brought her up in either of the Austin Buffy panels come to think of it). If you watch the commentary on the DVDs though, he actually says that he and Sarah got along really well and where close on set but that SMG is a very private person and often kept to herself, not associating with the rest of the cast in their off time. Not just James but the vast majority of the cast. She likes to keep her personal and work lives separate.
Also, I think that big Buffy fans like us tend to forget that the series ended 8 years ago. While James knows that it was what put him on the map so to speak and continues to promote his character, he wants people to focus on the fact that he is still acting - he has some new stuff coming out - and making music.
I think as far as the interviews go, I was much more suprised at what a BITCH Charisma Carpenter is. She was very rude with fans before, during and after the panel. She also allowed very few photos of her to be taken except during the photo ops where she was getting paid. She would see a camera pointed at her and she would throw her hand up in front of her face. She also talked negatively about ATS and her time on the show. She just came across as bitter.

Yeah, I'd think playing a villain would be more fun than a lovesick puppy LOL...Thanks for your input!

Yeah, I'd think playing a villain would be more fun than a lovesick puppy LOL..

So then he must have hated seasons 2 and 3 when he was playing Drusilla's lovesick puppy? ;)

Haha youve got a point there!

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